[22:58] <Moon[semifoo]> Seriously. What is going on with you? <.<
[22:59] <Shiake> I told you no no less then 6 times
[22:59] <Shiake> im not going to argue with you
[22:59] <Moon[semifoo]> I wasn't trying to argue.
[22:59] * Moon[semifoo] facepalms.
[22:59] <Shiake> its my website and I get to choose its contents. If i dont want a majorly edited image on the site then there will not be a majorly edited image on the site. I told you no, you kept insisting and pestering and asking why why why even after i gave my reason.
[23:00] <Moon[semifoo]> I was asking for suggestions, not just repeating myself.
[23:01] <Shiake> i gave you your options.
[23:01] <Moon[semifoo]> And I didn't want them.
[23:01] <Shiake> and thats why you got banned for an hour.
[23:01] <Shiake> have a nice night.
[23:01] <Moon[semifoo]> Wow.
[23:01] <Moon[semifoo]> Good job.
[23:01] <Shiake> im not going to argue with you Chandler
[23:01] <Moon[semifoo]> I'm not aruging.
[23:01] <Moon[semifoo]> arguing*
[23:01] <Shiake> and you persisting after i tell you something is arguing contrary to what you believe.
[23:01] <Moon[semifoo]> YOU'RE the one throwing the fit.
[23:01] <Moon[semifoo]> I'm not.
[23:02] <Shiake> Only because im tired of fighting with you. I said no, the answer is no.
[23:02] <Shiake> you want to keep going then fine
[23:02] <Shiake> dig yourself a deeper hole.
[23:02] <Shiake> I shouldnt have to tell you 6 times the same thing.
[23:02] <Moon[semifoo]> You think it's me digging the hole now?
[23:03] <Shiake> you have your options - dont like them? To bad, its what you have to work with.
[23:03] <Moon[semifoo]> Dear God.
[23:03] <Moon[semifoo]> It is like ordering food at a restaurant.
[23:03] <Moon[semifoo]> You have many options, but only want one.
[23:03] <Shiake> and its not on the menu.
[23:03] <Shiake> So you have to settle for what they have.
[23:03] <Moon[semifoo]> The owner tries to make you pick a different choice and you strictly want to stick to one, so they kick you out.
[23:04] <Shiake> Im done here. Talk to you in an hour.
[23:04] <Moon[semifoo]> Sure. Run away.
[23:04] * Shiake bristles
[23:04] <Shiake> Okay you know what im sick and fucking tired of this shit.
[23:04] <Shiake> now, i am pissed off.
[23:04] <Shiake> Im not running away
[23:04] <Moon[semifoo]> Appears so.
[23:04] <Moon[semifoo]> But jeez.
[23:05] <Moon[semifoo]> You act like it has to be perfect.
[23:05] <Moon[semifoo]> We're not all perfect.
[23:05] <Shiake> im trying to avoid confrontation because I know we are both hot headed when we get like this so im trying to avoid it but you have to push and push and push. Want to keep pushing? 24 hour ban. See you tomorrow. Next push is a demotion.
[23:06] <Moon[semifoo]> It is a PICTURE.
[23:06] <Shiake> IM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE PICTURE
[23:06] <Moon[semifoo]> I am.
[23:06] <Shiake>  the bitching and the moaning and now the pushing is what is setting me off
[23:06] <Moon[semifoo]> Because you're doing the same.
[23:06] <Shiake> BUT I WANT MUH PICTURE I WANT MUH SCARZ I CNT BE LIKE EVERYONE ELSE N JUST USE A REGULAR PICTURE WAHHHHHHHHHH
[23:07] <Shiake> and now your pushing
[23:07] <Shiake> im not running away
[23:07] <Moon[semifoo]> You look like a tough Alpha mocking your packmates.
[23:07] <Shiake> im trying to save your ass from digging your own fucking grave
[23:07] <Shiake> No im mocking you
[23:07] <Moon[semifoo]> And I am a packmate.
[23:07] <Shiake> cause i have todl you NO 6 tiems.
[23:07] <Shiake> and your STILL bitching about it
[23:07] <Shiake> The answer is no
[23:07] <Shiake> it is no now
[23:07] <Moon[semifoo]> Unless you're going to kick me out for asking for a picture to be put up.
[23:07] <Shiake> itw well be no in the next 5 min
[23:07] <Shiake> it will be no tomoor
[23:07] <Shiake> and next week
[23:08] <Shiake> the answer is no and thats final. Take it or leave it
[23:08] <Moon[semifoo]> I'll leave it and take my business elsewhere since this restaurant doesn't have what I want.
Session Close: Mon Aug 31 23:08:46 2009

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[14:21] <Moon[LJ]> Do you think I should stay?
[14:23] <Trestian> Well, its all up to you. I mean, I would like it if you stayed, and I'm sure everyone else will as well. However it is up to you on what you decide. Not mine.
[14:23] <Moon[LJ]> '"I'm sure everyone else will as well." It wasn't the same way back in DW.
[14:24] <Trestian> Oh yea?
[14:24] <Moon[LJ]> Um. Yeah.
[14:24] <Moon[LJ]> You even voted me out.
[14:25] <Moon[LJ]> The only semi-fair decision was the one where I was ousted from the pack.
[14:25] * Trestian nods.
[14:25] <Moon[LJ]> All because people kissed up to Shi and her LJs and didn't walk a mile in my shoes.
[14:25] <Moon[LJ]> Honestly, I'm sick of it.
[14:25] <Moon[LJ]> LiveJournal is going to be the end of her.
[14:26] <Trestian> But you too have to admit something you've done we're a bit childish. Now I'm not sucking up to anyone and you know it, but sometimes You tend to be way out of your lead.
[14:26] <Trestian> somethings*
[14:26] <Moon[LJ]> Yes, I was being childish in some aspects, but I didn't full out disrespect Shi like she so claims.
[14:26] <Moon[LJ]> She mocked -me- to my face.
[14:28] <Trestian> And you've done the same. I've seen millions of people mock everyone for what-ever the reason is. And honestly when I read people's LJ's it makes me laugh.
[14:28] <Moon[LJ]> Bullshit.
[14:28] <Moon[LJ]> I have -never- mocked her to her face.
[14:28] <Moon[LJ]> And if I have, prove it.
[14:29] <Moon[LJ]> [23:06] <Shiake> BUT I WANT MUH PICTURE I WANT MUH SCARZ I CNT BE LIKE EVERYONE ELSE N JUST USE A REGULAR PICTURE WAHHHHHHHHHH
[14:29] <Moon[LJ]> Yeah. I'm so terrible.
[14:29] <Moon[LJ]> I totally pushed her.
[14:30] <Trestian> Are you saying you're proud of doing so? I wouldn't be. And pushing the highest rank isn't a smart move. 
[14:30] <Moon[LJ]> Proud?
[14:30] <Moon[LJ]> When did I ever lead you to thinking I was proud of any of this?
[14:31] <Moon[LJ]> I'm actually disappointed it even went this far.
[14:31] <Moon[LJ]> She pushed -me,- not the other way around.
[14:32] <Trestian> <Moon[LJ]> I totally pushed her. That right there sounds like you're proud of it. I am too. You should've dropped it first hand. Hands down. It probably wouldn't have gotten this far if you haven't.
[14:32] <Moon[LJ]> I was being sarcastic.
[14:33] <Trestian> scrcastic or what-ever it needs to stop and you're the only one who can that. I'm sorry that you let yourself get demoted but you knew the consenquences of over steping. .
[14:34] <Moon[LJ]> How did I overstep?
[14:35] <Trestian> And right now I'm done with this. This arguement doesn't need to get worse then it is. And if you keep pushing it through I will kick ban you for insubordination
[14:35] <Moon[LJ]> How am I being insubordinate?
[14:36] <Moon[LJ]> For the love of God.
[14:37] <Moon[LJ]> Tell me, with an unbiased view of this situation, of how I am being insubordinate.
[14:38] <Trestian> arguring about something that is long over due. And pushing it futher. I said I was done with this arguement. And you could go ahead and LJ about it all you want but you will be just like the rest.
[14:38] <Moon[LJ]> Arguing.
[14:38] <Moon[LJ]> It's always that word.
[14:39] <Moon[LJ]> I am -not- arguing. It's only when you -say- the word does it become an argument.
[14:40] <Moon[LJ]> And my LJs are not like the rest. Mine have the actual logs with nothing else to get some actual unbiased opinions since those appear to be in short supply nowadays.
[15:01] <MoonWeaver> I'm amused by how you say that I'll be like everyone else when I post an LJ, though, because by saying everyone else, you're also referring to Shiake.
[15:04] <Trestian> I'm amused by how you keep pushing things that seem to be dropped and finalized x amount of time ago.
[15:06] <Trestian> Now unless you can calmly talk to me with disrespecting me in anyways may it be ranked wise or friendship wise I will be more then gladly to speak with you again. For now I'm to pissed off to even deal with it. So please stop pming me. Peace for now.
Session Close: Sun Sep 06 15:28:16 2009

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[14:43] <Shiake> Enough is Enough. No more mention of that stupid picture cause obviously it will only cause fights.
[14:43] <MoonWeaver> Enough is enough all right.
[14:43] <Shiake> Why would you start up with Trestian?
[14:43] <Shiake> I thought we were past this
[14:43] <MoonWeaver> I changed my mind.
[14:44] <MoonWeaver> Like you, I also need to vent.
[14:44] <Shiake> Thats fine
[14:44] <Shiake> but why would you do it with a council member?
[14:44] <Shiake> and argue about it e.e
[14:45] <MoonWeaver> Oh, he's Council?
[14:45] <MoonWeaver> I didn't know that you decided on that.
[14:45] <Shiake> Im sorry
[14:45] <Shiake> an op
[14:45] <Shiake> he will be a council member tomorrow.
[14:46] * MoonWeaver is extremely frustrated.
[14:46] <Shiake> Dont speak until I am done.
[14:51] <Shiake> 1) What i ment by you pushing me was after i tried to end the convo and you said "Sure, Run Away" That was pushing. 2) It is done and decided as it was the night it occured that the picture will NOT be on the website. It is MY website and I will decide its contents. You notice no one else has outlandishly edited images. Zentaro agreed, Belaa agreed and the pack agreed that it LOOKED edited. --
[14:51] <Shiake> -- Zentaros is fare neough away that it doesnt look too bad so it was accepted and 3) if you dont like my LJ you like everyone else can stop reading it. 4) I mocked you befcause thats exactly how you were acting. You werent going to hear no about that stupid picture and I put my foot down. Zentaro wnated to cour Epona but I put my foot down on no out of pack courting/mating. She was sad but she --
[14:51] <Shiake> -- accepted that beta or not, in the end it is my call. That is how it is in EVERY pack. You know how I run my packs, it has not changed. If you have a problem with it you are welcomed to leave and will always be welcomed back with open paws, but from here on out I am done with any conversation about that damn picture. Dont bad mouth me to my wolves, weither you are a member or not, badmouthing me --
[14:51] <Shiake> -- to the others will only land you in more trouble. So i ask again chandler, are you with us or not. --
[15:07] <Shiake> im ill and im tired so if I could get an answer soon it would be helpful so I can go lay down with a cup of tea.
[15:07] <MoonWeaver> It's coming.
[15:08] <MoonWeaver> 1) Why do you think I said that? You were pushing me. When I'm cornered, I can't run, so I will fight back. 2) You could have used the old image or the new one, but the old one looked like crap and you even knew it, but you went ahead anyway because you supposedly knew I was going to throw a fit. Well here I am throwing one now and it isn't even over the picture anymore. What's it over? YOUR Cut»»
[15:08] <MoonWeaver> Cont»» pushing. YOUR LJs since they're so much more goddamn »Done«
[15:08] <MoonWeaver> important than your friendships. You don't even bother to put them on private or on diary like I suggested because "oh, people read them anyway." Do you know why that is? Because you fucking talk about it in the pack channels as well. LJ is a fucking virus and you've been infected by it. 3) I wasn't mocking you and I have no idea where you get that from. Like
[15:08] <MoonWeaver> you've said to me before... get the story straight before jumping the gun. 4) "... Dont bad mouth me to my wolves..." YOUR wolves. You sound just like Kasie. Everything is yours, yours, yours, but you don't seem to understand that without the pack, there can be no Alpha. You've just proven to me that not only are you insecure, but you're greedy, defiant, and arrogant. None of this should have to Cut»»
[15:08] <MoonWeaver> Cont»» deal with rank and you use that petty rule so that no »Done«
[15:08] <MoonWeaver> one will question you and then you can get away with the last word. I'm full out sick of it. You can keep your ranks. If Beta means being able to say something but having no choice whether it goes through in the end, that is literally like having no rank at all. Anyone could do that and will. You say all this crap about loving me and caring about me. How true are you to your words? Would you Cut»»
[15:08] <MoonWeaver> Cont»» honestly put down your rank to be my friend for once? I don't know... and since I'm leaving, I don't care. That was the straw that broke the camel's back and I am done. »Done«
[15:09] <Shiake> How did I push you, you asked to use the image and I said no - you faught me.
[15:10] <Shiake> 2) I could have used the image but i said no. You could have shut up and complied but instead you had to fight
[15:10] <Shiake> 3) I odnt put it on private or diary cause like i said - Everyone reads it anyway, so there is no fucking point.
[15:11] <Shiake> 4) no you didnt mock me, you just faught me tooth and nail at every turn and because you werent getting your way you had to throw a fit. You were punished for it and now your doing the exact same thing you did in DW.
[15:11] <MoonWeaver> [23:06] <Shiake> BUT I WANT MUH PICTURE I WANT MUH SCARZ I CNT BE LIKE EVERYONE ELSE N JUST USE A REGULAR PICTURE WAHHHHHHHHHH
[15:11] <MoonWeaver> That pushed me.
[15:11] <Shiake> 5) I use the term "my" wolves out of habit. Like "my" friends. That doesnt mean they are not YOUR friends too its just a term - your looking for reasons to be pissed off.
[15:13] <Shiake> 6) if I felt you were in the right, and others supported it as well I would easily put down my rank for you, I would walk through assesment with you, but right now you are being a hot headed child, just like Zentaro said, you are behaving like a toddler, I mocked you because Thats EXACTLY what you were saying and doing.
[15:13] <MoonWeaver> I am not looking for reasons to be pissed off. I already am. I didn't know you meant it in that term because wolves just seems little like you mean it by true friends.
[15:14] <MoonWeaver> And do you understand how what you said pushed me?
[15:14] <Shiake> I do
[15:14] <Shiake> but it was because you pushed me
[15:14] <Shiake> Of course your word holds weight moonweaver
[15:14] <Shiake> everywolf's does
[15:15] <Shiake> but in the end, it is MY decision. 1000000000000000 of people vote for stuff but ultimately the presidante can veto it.
[15:15] <MoonWeaver> Yes, but the president makes bills that get turned into laws by the Supreme Court.
[15:15] <MoonWeaver> They can veto that.
[15:15] <Shiake> And if enough wolves didnt like it, it woudlnt be done
[15:15] <MoonWeaver> In the end, it is the people that make the decision.
[15:15] <MoonWeaver> Not the government.
[15:16] <Shiake> and again, if enough wolves were in agreement that something i decided was wrong, then it woudl be changed. that has yet to happen
[15:16] <MoonWeaver> Because they're too damn lazy or afraid to speak up.
[15:16] <Shiake> No, because you are wrong.
[15:16] <MoonWeaver> It wasn't until -I- did something did Belaa or Zentaro give a damn.
[15:16] <MoonWeaver> You do something and they all fall on their backs and kiss your ass.
[15:17] <Shiake> chandler, everytime oyu get like this, everytime this happens YOU are the victim and everyone is just running around kissing my ass. They do it because they love and respect me. Its not my fault that they agree with the things I decide, they dont roll belly up to me in fear or stupidity, they do it because they respect me.
[15:18] <MoonWeaver> Yes? And when I was Beta, did it look like they respected me?
[15:19] <MoonWeaver> I had to force it from Jez.
[15:19] <Shiake> ANd now you see why
[15:19] <Shiake> its hard for them to respect you when at every turn you are fighting me.
[15:19] <MoonWeaver> That's not it.
[15:20] <Shiake> they respect you because they respect me and my decision to put you where you are but beyond that the love and unconditional respect comes from YOUR actions. They ahve seen you flip out for no reason, they have seen you fight me they ahve seen you act this way and it makes them loose that respect for you.
[15:20] <MoonWeaver> I've been here being Beta while you were out working and whatever it was you were doing. You'd probably be the same way if there was no one to back you up. Ever.
[15:20] <Shiake> then stop trying to swimm against the current hun
[15:20] <Shiake> Im not saying dont ever challenge what i say
[15:21] <Shiake> im not saying dont think for yourself
[15:21] <MoonWeaver> What current? The current of assholes that kept trying to walk on me and my rank?
[15:21] <Shiake> im saying that you can question and ask and suggest but in the end when my foot is down, that is the end.
[15:21] <MoonWeaver> And have you ever considered how people would react to you putting that said foot down?
[15:22] <Shiake> I put my foot down when it needs to be done
[15:22] <Shiake> with akuya
[15:22] <Shiake> with Skylax
[15:22] <Shiake> with Daesch
[15:22] <Shiake> With Dante
[15:22] <Shiake> With Willow
[15:22] <Shiake> With situations like with Lysha
[15:22] <Shiake> with situations such as you flipping out
[15:22] <MoonWeaver> And Lysha held rank over you.
[15:22] <MoonWeaver> I'm putting my foot down too.
[15:23] <Shiake> Lysha did not
[15:23] <MoonWeaver> Yes she did. Back in Eclipsed.
[15:23] <Shiake> at the time i was not an assesment yet, I was still alpha of DW and Jeza was my member
[15:23] <MoonWeaver> But it's always been a rule in -every pack- that once you set foot in another pack's clearing, your rank means nothing.
[15:24] <MoonWeaver> An Omega could kick you out if they honestly wanted to.
[15:24] * Shiake shrugs
[15:24] <Shiake> It was an OOC conflict
[15:24] <Shiake> I had right as alpha of the wolf in question to know what happend.
[15:25] <Shiake> regardless, you can make your choice. If you are truely fed up with having an alpha youcan either become one yourself or remain lone, in any pack your in the alpha(s) will always have the last say. You will always be welcomed bacck with open paws and welcomed to visit. The choice is yours.
[15:26] <MoonWeaver> Don't worry about me. I'm not coming back to SweetBreeze.
[15:26] <MoonWeaver> I won't be coming back to Sorcery.
[15:26] <MoonWeaver> I won't even be in wolf rp for a while.
[15:26] <MoonWeaver> SweetBreeze was my last home.
[15:26] <MoonWeaver> There is none for me now.
[15:26] <MoonWeaver> So unlike NevaPaws, I won't be welcomed back with glory or praise or any of that pish posh.
[15:26] <Shiake> That is a choice that is yours to make. As i said you will always be welcomed back home. Take care Chandler
[15:28] <MoonWeaver> I was going to say more, but never mind.
[15:28] <MoonWeaver> Run with grace.
Session Close: Sun Sep 06 15:28:17 2009

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Unbiased opinions, anyone?

Well, until you grow up...

SOMEONE HAS TO.

So WHY do you keep BITCHING if this is what everyone wants? :3

Me maturing and obviously not giving a damn anymore apparently gives you leeway to throw a bitch fit because you know I'm filling in for your fuck up.

"He who smiles rather than rages is always the stronger."

Instead of pulling myself into the argument, I'll sit by and ignore it. Truce or not, I feel there is still going to be things said behind the other's back and I'm going to just keep to my own pack.

This isn't a stab at their leaderships, but to be honest, Alphas don't act like this. I realized that with the start of Kaldaka that drama is just a measly bug on the floor; able to be ignored or whisked away, but usually made a fuss of.

I've. Had. Enough.

"Family forever; drama, whatever."

Are you going to whisk the drama away, or are you going to scream and flail when it tries latching onto you?

+Strictly Down to Business+

~Fuck.~

-LOG-
<@Draynar> Why the hell would you suggest merging.
<@Kyndri> Because I figured it'd be good for the pack.
<@Draynar> And just what pack is active enough to merge with? *snorts.*
<@Kyndri> -_- It was only a -suggestion- to start off with.
<@Draynar> It shows you have no faith in this pack. I haven't seen you work at helping the situation, either. <_< I'm the one recruiting for hours.
<@Kyndri> I don't know how to recruit. :O
<@Draynar> Learn. It's not rocket science. x.x You ask people if they would like to join a pack. Simple as that.
<@Kyndri> I'm just not good at it.
<@Draynar> You need to do something for this pack. Otherwise you have worthless as a Leader. And just what pack would merge with TV? None are active anymore.
<@Kyndri> We don't have to merge with an unactive pack. :|
<@Draynar> Right, but what packs are left? e.e
<@Kyndri> WolfSpirits? EmeraldMyst? We can just ask them.
<@Draynar> Fuck. No. How could you even suggest that. WE wouldn't be a fucking PACK anymore. -_-
<@Draynar> We'd just be members of their family.
<@Draynar> We'd have to give up our ways, council, name, and everything.
<@Kyndri> Well we'd still have each other. e.e
<@Nivana> :x
<@Nivana> we have eachother now, don't we?
<@Draynar> Plus I hate EM. So. Definante no.
<@Draynar> No shit.
<@Kyndri> Whatever. I'm not going to argue.
<@Draynar> Good. Because there is no argument here. TV will never merge unless pack would like to merge -into- us. Not -with- us.
<@Kyndri> We'll still be together nonetheless.
<@Draynar> I refuse to merge. End of story. <_<
* @Nivana nods
<@Kyndri> -_-
<@Draynar> If you dont like it, leave the pack. ;/
<@Draynar> I am tired of people not having faith.
<@Kyndri> I -do- have faith.
<@Kyndri> And apparently you don't have faith in my decisions.
<@Draynar> No, I dont.
<@Draynar> You havent made any.
<@Kyndri> I've made one last night.
<@Kyndri> And you just turn your nose up at it.
<@Draynar> you said it was a suggestion. e.e
<@Kyndri> I'm deciding to merge the pack. :/
<@Kyndri> There. End of story. <_<
<@Draynar> No, you're not. You cannot merge TV without mine and Niv's consent.
<@Kyndri> Then consent.
<@Draynar> Fuck. No.
<@Kyndri> All that's going to happen is that the pack is going to disban and we'd make another one. I just want a fucking stable family.
<@Draynar> Then help fucking create one. Stop being a useless leader. It's always up to me to keep a pack going and I am the one blamed when it falls.
<@Nivana> Kyndri I understand you think it will help the state, but I just don't think it will. We have tried that...*sighs* I think that being together is the most important part of this, and that really doesn't require a merge.
<@Kyndri> Where have we tried?
<@Kyndri> I've never seen this.
<@Draynar> With SB.
<@Nivana> Yeah :x
<@Draynar> Just becausewe havent tried with TV, doesn't mean we havent before.
<@Draynar> And it was a failure.
<@Kyndri> Well, I was apart of SB at the time. I didn't know what MV was like. e.e
<@Draynar> So what. I am not consenting merging this pack. There are no packs I would do so with at this time.
<@Kyndri> Then good luck finding new members and a new player for Kyn, 'cause this is bullshit.
<@Kyndri> Bye. <3
-/LOG-

~I know I'm not a good Alpha, so if I decide to make my own pack, I'd have to learn from people who are actual Alphas. I don't think I was ready to be an Alpha at the beginning of TwilightVale and I don't know what happened after I left. I was hoping to join up with EmeraldMyst. I -suggested- merging with them since two packs already had. I didn't care if it meant giving up everything as long as it didn't take us away from each other, but whatever. I don't think Kasie understood what I meant. u.u~

-EDIT-
~I just got a PM from Kasie on Sorcery.~

-LOG-
<Draynar`> You are banned from the pack and its channels. And no longer a sister to myself and Jess. Goodbye.
<MoonWeaver> 'Kay.
No such nick/channel
-/LOG-

~'Kay, wtf did I do? Whatever, don't answer that because people are gonna try guilt tripping me over shit I didn't do. *Sigh.* It happened with Renegade, but I'm not comparing myself to him. e.e I've forgiven him; mostly because I wasn't the one he betrayed. I'm just tired of jumping from pack to pack because I was loyal to Kasie. I just want a -stable- pack no matter what it takes. I only have three requirements when I'm about to join a pack.
1) Loyalty.
2) Family.
3) Stability.
I just need those three. I feel beaten around, but not guilty. I wonder if Ren felt the same way. <_< That's the past, but still what I feel. I don't know what I did to undo my sistership with Kasie and Jess. I also have to wonder if Jess only agreed with Kasie because she was more of her friend. I don't know how much I believe that, though. -.-;~